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		<title>The Nature of Heresy</title>
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		<title>Truth and Error in the Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Christ the Center panelists revisit with Rev. Martin Downes, minister of Christ Church Deeside in north Wales, about his new book <a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/6325/nm/Risking+The+truth%3A+Handling+Error+in+the+Church+%28Paperback%29?utm_source=reformedforum&amp;utm_medium=blogpartners"><em>Risking the Truth:  Handling Error in the Church</em></a> (Christian Focus).  The nature of error and heresy is delineated and the best approach to handling it pastorally in the life of the local congregation and in the larger church is discussed at length.  The interview format of the book is also considered.  This is an enjoyable conversation about perennial issues in the life of the church.<br />
<a href="http://www.archive.org/details/TruthAndErrorInTheChurch">Archive.org</a></p>
<h3>Links</h3>
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<li><a href="http://against-heresies.blogspot.com/">Against Heresies</a></li>
<li><a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/">Pyromaniacs</a></li>
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<h3>Bibliography</h3>
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<p style="margin: 0pt">Allison, C. <span style="font-style: italic">The Cruelty of Heresy: An Affirmation of Christian Orthodoxy</span>. Harrisburg  PA: Moorehouse Pub., 1994. <span title="url_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_id=urn%3Aisbn%3A9780819215130&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=book&amp;rft.btitle=The%20Cruelty%20of%20Heresy%3A%20An%20Affirmation%20of%20Christian%20Orthodoxy&amp;rft.place=Harrisburg%20%20PA&amp;rft.publisher=Moorehouse%20Pub.&amp;rft.aufirst=C&amp;rft.aulast=Allison&amp;rft.au=C%20Allison&amp;rft.date=1994&amp;rft.isbn=9780819215130"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Charnock, Stephen. <span style="font-style: italic">Selections from the Discourses of S. Charnock, B.D. on the existence and attributes of God. With a memoir.</span> London, 1878. <span title="url_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=book&amp;rft.btitle=Selections%20from%20the%20Discourses%20of%20S.%20Charnock%2C%20B.D.%20on%20the%20existence%20and%20attributes%20of%20God.%20With%20a%20memoir.&amp;rft.place=London&amp;rft.aufirst=Stephen&amp;rft.aulast=Charnock&amp;rft.au=Stephen%20Charnock&amp;rft.date=1878"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Downes, Martin. <span style="font-style: italic">Risking the Truth</span>. Christian Focus, 2009. <span title="url_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_id=urn%3Aisbn%3A1845502841&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=book&amp;rft.btitle=Risking%20the%20Truth&amp;rft.publisher=Christian%20Focus&amp;rft.aufirst=Martin&amp;rft.aulast=Downes&amp;rft.au=Martin%20Downes&amp;rft.date=2009&amp;rft.isbn=1845502841"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Hall, Michael. <span style="font-style: italic">Contextualization or Heresy in the Evangelical Megashift? Testing New Model Theology in Light of Doctrinal Criticism</span>, 1997. <span title="url_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=book&amp;rft.btitle=Contextualization%20or%20Heresy%20in%20the%20Evangelical%20Megashift%3F%20Testing%20New%20Model%20Theology%20in%20Light%20of%20Doctrinal%20Criticism&amp;rft.aufirst=Michael&amp;rft.aulast=Hall&amp;rft.au=Michael%20Hall&amp;rft.date=1997"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Smeaton, George. <span style="font-style: italic">Christ&#8217;s Doctrine of the Atonement</span>. 1st ed. Edinburgh; Carlisle  Pa.: The Banner of Truth Trust, 1991. <span title="url_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_id=urn%3Aisbn%3A9780851516004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=book&amp;rft.btitle=Christ's%20Doctrine%20of%20the%20Atonement&amp;rft.place=Edinburgh%20%3B%3BCarlisle%20%20Pa.&amp;rft.publisher=The%20Banner%20of%20Truth%20Trust&amp;rft.edition=1st%20Banner%20of%20Truth%20ed.&amp;rft.aufirst=George&amp;rft.aulast=Smeaton&amp;rft.au=George%20Smeaton&amp;rft.date=1991&amp;rft.isbn=9780851516004"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Stott, John. <span style="font-style: italic">The Cross of Christ</span>. England: Inter-Varsity Press, 2006.  <span title="url_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_id=urn%3Aisbn%3A9781844741557&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=book&amp;rft.btitle=The%20Cross%20of%20Christ&amp;rft.place=England&amp;rft.publisher=Inter-Varsity%20Press&amp;rft.aufirst=John&amp;rft.aulast=Stott&amp;rft.au=John%20Stott&amp;rft.date=2006&amp;rft.isbn=9781844741557"><br />
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Christ the Center</em> discusses the ministry of David Martyn Lloyd-Jones and the Emerging Church with Martin Downes, pastor of <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fchristchurchdeeside.org%2F&amp;ei=r_W7SIfBMou4ebnVsKYD&amp;usg=AFQjCNHLF_yuVrD2bGH8wIOPDZsJBu3ALA&amp;sig2=_5jpw4i0PuFNeyX6a9KuLQ">Christ Church Deeside</a>.  Downes, who also is webmaster of the popular <em><a href="http://against-heresies.blogspot.com">Against Heresies</a>, </em>comments on the impact of Martyn Lloyd-Jones within British and worldwide evangelicalism and notes the recent publication of <a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/5751/nm/Lloyd_Jones_Messenger_of_Grace_Hardcover_?utm_source=reformedforum&amp;utm_medium=blogpartners"><em>Lloyd-Jones:  Messenger of Grace</em></a>.  But the bulk of the conversation concentrates upon Downes&#8217; contribution to the forthcoming book, <a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/5879/nm/Reforming_or_Conforming_Post_Conservative_Evangelicals_and_the_Emerging_Church_Paperback_/coming_soon/true?utm_source=reformedforum&amp;utm_medium=blogpartners"><em>Reforming of Conforming?</em></a>, where he deals with what looks like the recapitulation of classical Liberalism in the Emerging Church.  Join us for some fascinating intercontinental fellowship.<span id="more-364"></span></p>
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<li><a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=2&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fagainst-heresies.blogspot.com%2F&amp;ei=r-e7SMCoHoTQerGqxJkD&amp;usg=AFQjCNFyxUA3xdpAacA52h84QXPvQN9zEQ&amp;sig2=oVBtsYERKITCyt3yiBnIpg">Against Heresies</a></li>
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<h3>Bibliography</h3>
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<p style="margin: 0pt">Carson, D. <span style="font-style: italic">Becoming Conversant with the Emerging Church : Understanding a Movement and its Implications</span>. Grand Rapids  Mich.: Zondervan, 2005.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Carson, D. A. <span style="font-style: italic">Christ and Culture Revisited</span>. Grand Rapids, Mich.: William B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., 2008.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Gibbs, Eddie., and Ryan K. Bolger. <span style="font-style: italic">Emerging Churches: Creating Christian Community in Postmodern Cultures</span>. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Academic, 2005.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Jeffery, S. <span style="font-style: italic">Pierced for Our Transgressions: Rediscovering the Glory of Penal Substitution</span>. Wheaton  Ill.: Crossway Books, 2007.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Johnson, Gary L. W., and Ronald N. Gleason. <span style="font-style: italic">Reforming or Conforming? : Post-Conservative Evangelicals and the Emerging Church</span>. Wheaton, Ill.: Crossway Books, 2008.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Jones, J. Morgan, William. Morgan, and John. Aaron. <span style="font-style: italic">The Calvinistic Methodist Fathers of Wales</span>. Edinburgh: Banner of Truth Trust, 2008.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Lloyd-Jones, David Martyn. <span style="font-style: italic">Knowing the Times: Addresses Delivered on Various Occasions, 1942-1977</span>. Edinburgh; Carlisle, Pa.: Banner of Truth Trust, 1989.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Murray, Iain Hamish. <span style="font-style: italic">David Martyn Lloyd-Jones: The First Forty Years, 1899-1939</span>. Edinburgh; Carlisle, Pa.: Banner of Truth Trust, 1982.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">&#8212;. <span style="font-style: italic">Lloyd-Jones: Messenger of Grace</span>. Edinburgh: Banner of Truth Trust, 2008.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Murray, Ian H. <span style="font-style: italic">David Martyn Lloyd-Jones: The Fight of Faith, 1939-1981</span>. Edinburgh [etc.]: The Banner of Truth Trust, 2004.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Ortlund, Dane. <span style="font-style: italic">A New Inner Relish: Christian Motivation in the Thought of Jonathan Edwards</span>. Fearn, Scotland: Christian Focus, 2008.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Warfield, Benjamin Breckinridge. <span style="font-style: italic">Works of Benjamin B. Warfield, The</span>. Baker Book House, 1978.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Webber, Robert., John Burke, Dan. Kimball, Doug Pagitt, Karen M. Ward, and Mark Driscoll. <span style="font-style: italic">Listening to the Beliefs of Emerging Churches: Five Perspectives</span>. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Zondervan, 2007.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Wells, David. <span style="font-style: italic">Above All Earthly Pow&#8217;rs : Christ in a Postmodern World</span>. Grand Rapids  Mich.  ;Leicester: W.B. Eerdmans Pub. Co. ;;Inter-Varsity Press, 2005.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">&#8212;. <span style="font-style: italic">The Courage to be Protestant : Truth-Lovers, Marketers, and Emergents in the Postmodern World</span>. Grand Rapids  Mich.: William B. Eerdmans Pub., 2008.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">Wells, David F. <span style="font-style: italic">God in the Wasteland : The Reality of Truth in a World of Fading Dreams</span>. Grand Rapids, Mich.: W.B. Eerdmans, 1994.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">&#8212;. <span style="font-style: italic">Losing our Virtue : Why the Church Must Recover its Moral Vision</span>. Grand Rapids, Mich.: W.B. Eerdmans Pub., 1998.</p>
<p style="margin: 0em 0pt 0pt">&#8212;. <span style="font-style: italic">No Place for Truth, or, Whatever Happened to Evangelical Theology?</span> Grand Rapids, Mich.: W.B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., 1993.</p>
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