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	<title>Comments on: Van Til&#8217;s Trinitarian Theology</title>
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		<title>By: Camden Bucey</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-84861</link>
		<dc:creator>Camden Bucey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 04:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also did a &lt;a href=&quot;http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc152/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;follow up episode&lt;/a&gt; incorporating material from Dr. Tipton&#039;s course on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also did a <a href="http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc152/" rel="nofollow">follow up episode</a> incorporating material from Dr. Tipton&#8217;s course on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Camden Bucey</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-84860</link>
		<dc:creator>Camden Bucey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 04:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s still in the works. Last I heard, it was getting ready to be submitted to the publisher.</description>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-84858</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 23:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and, oh no!! I had already purchased Ralph Smith&#039;s book on Van Til and the Trinity.  Yikes! 

I&#039;m interested in this topic because, for the last few weeks I&#039;ve been getting beat up by an atheist who argues that we Christians cannot present a coherent accounting of God&#039;s &quot;personhood&quot;. 

We&#039;ve not spoken enough for me to get the full gist of his argument, so I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not stating it as best I could, but he argues something like:  When we finally give an account of God&#039;s personhood, it turns out to be trivial such that, the Christian&#039;s view of personhood could describe mechanistic processes of some impersonal environment.  We can&#039;t account for God&#039;s intentionality or His qualitative mental states. 

I was excited when I heard Dr. Tipton discuss these very issues during the podcast!  I&#039;m a committed Van Tillian and I&#039;m especially inclined to reject Clark&#039;s view after seeing how such a view (an impersonal, &quot;pure-logic&quot; God) leaves me open to all sorts of criticism from the atheists.  But I&#039;ve got to figure out how to defend the &quot;ultimate personhood&quot; of God.  I hope you guys don&#039;t mind me asking a few questions:

1.  If God is &quot;ultimately personal&quot; -- then how can we distinguish between this sort of personhood and a mechanistic environment? 

2.  Are you familiar with this argument, or something like it?  I know some atheist in a chatroom didn&#039;t come up with it, so there has to be more sophisticated versions floating around out there.  

3.  I&#039;d also like to study up on why Clark held the view he did.  I&#039;m marginally familiar with Clark&#039;s apologetic enterprise and I&#039;d be interested in reading how he develops his view of the Trinity. 

Anyway -- thanks for what you guys do here at Reformed Forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and, oh no!! I had already purchased Ralph Smith&#8217;s book on Van Til and the Trinity.  Yikes! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in this topic because, for the last few weeks I&#8217;ve been getting beat up by an atheist who argues that we Christians cannot present a coherent accounting of God&#8217;s &#8220;personhood&#8221;. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve not spoken enough for me to get the full gist of his argument, so I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not stating it as best I could, but he argues something like:  When we finally give an account of God&#8217;s personhood, it turns out to be trivial such that, the Christian&#8217;s view of personhood could describe mechanistic processes of some impersonal environment.  We can&#8217;t account for God&#8217;s intentionality or His qualitative mental states. </p>
<p>I was excited when I heard Dr. Tipton discuss these very issues during the podcast!  I&#8217;m a committed Van Tillian and I&#8217;m especially inclined to reject Clark&#8217;s view after seeing how such a view (an impersonal, &#8220;pure-logic&#8221; God) leaves me open to all sorts of criticism from the atheists.  But I&#8217;ve got to figure out how to defend the &#8220;ultimate personhood&#8221; of God.  I hope you guys don&#8217;t mind me asking a few questions:</p>
<p>1.  If God is &#8220;ultimately personal&#8221; &#8212; then how can we distinguish between this sort of personhood and a mechanistic environment? </p>
<p>2.  Are you familiar with this argument, or something like it?  I know some atheist in a chatroom didn&#8217;t come up with it, so there has to be more sophisticated versions floating around out there.  </p>
<p>3.  I&#8217;d also like to study up on why Clark held the view he did.  I&#8217;m marginally familiar with Clark&#8217;s apologetic enterprise and I&#8217;d be interested in reading how he develops his view of the Trinity. </p>
<p>Anyway &#8212; thanks for what you guys do here at Reformed Forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-84857</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 22:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was posted back in 2008, but I&#039;m just finding it now. 

Did Dr. Tipton ever get around to getting a book published about the Trinity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was posted back in 2008, but I&#8217;m just finding it now. </p>
<p>Did Dr. Tipton ever get around to getting a book published about the Trinity?</p>
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		<title>By: Trinitarian Personality - ReformedForum.org</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-29851</link>
		<dc:creator>Trinitarian Personality - ReformedForum.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and doxological subject of Trinitarian personality.Â Dr. Tipton previously discussed the subject on Christ the Center episode #49.    &#160;Standard [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and doxological subject of Trinitarian personality.Â Dr. Tipton previously discussed the subject on Christ the Center episode #49.    &nbsp;Standard [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reformed Forum &#187; Top Episodes from 2008</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-9318</link>
		<dc:creator>Reformed Forum &#187; Top Episodes from 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Van Til&#8217;s Trinitarian Theology with Lane Tipton [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christ the Center Interview Index</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-9039</link>
		<dc:creator>Christ the Center Interview Index</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Fourfold State D.G. Hart Deconstructing Evangelicalism Stephen J. Nichols Jesus Made in America Lane Tipton Van Til&#8217;s Trinitarian Theology Highlights from 2008 Jim Cassidy Reformed Catechesis and the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Fourfold State D.G. Hart Deconstructing Evangelicalism Stephen J. Nichols Jesus Made in America Lane Tipton Van Til&#8217;s Trinitarian Theology Highlights from 2008 Jim Cassidy Reformed Catechesis and the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Van Tilâ€™s Trinitarian Theology &#171; Philippine Theo Law Gee</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-5482</link>
		<dc:creator>Van Tilâ€™s Trinitarian Theology &#171; Philippine Theo Law Gee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] January 4, 2009 &#183; No Comments  Van Til&#039;s Trinitarian Theology &#124; The Reformed Forum. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] January 4, 2009 &middot; No Comments  Van Til&#8217;s Trinitarian Theology | The Reformed Forum. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Collin Lee</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-5340</link>
		<dc:creator>Collin Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 06:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listening as I write this...
Isn&#039;t &quot;being&quot; in relation to mankind a state of sin which in the absence of a relationship with Christ, encompassing of everything in our reality? I mean, to say that we are inherently sinful, does that not include our consistent state as well as our actions? In that sense, sin is our &quot;universal.&quot; For the person who has been saved by Christ, we are never told that our sins were erased, yet covered by the blood of Christ. So, whether you are saved or not, it seems to me that sin is the trait we share which grants us all unity in our common state. Particulars of each sinner is meaningless to God as Jesus states that we are all breakers of the law regardless of frequency or our perceived (and flawed) severity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listening as I write this&#8230;<br />
Isn&#8217;t &#8220;being&#8221; in relation to mankind a state of sin which in the absence of a relationship with Christ, encompassing of everything in our reality? I mean, to say that we are inherently sinful, does that not include our consistent state as well as our actions? In that sense, sin is our &#8220;universal.&#8221; For the person who has been saved by Christ, we are never told that our sins were erased, yet covered by the blood of Christ. So, whether you are saved or not, it seems to me that sin is the trait we share which grants us all unity in our common state. Particulars of each sinner is meaningless to God as Jesus states that we are all breakers of the law regardless of frequency or our perceived (and flawed) severity.</p>
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		<title>By: Audio: Interview with Westminster Seminary&#8217;s Lane G. Tipton on Van Til&#8217;s trinitarian theology : Sic et Non</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-5337</link>
		<dc:creator>Audio: Interview with Westminster Seminary&#8217;s Lane G. Tipton on Van Til&#8217;s trinitarian theology : Sic et Non</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 05:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Audio: Interview with Westminster Seminary&#8217;s Lane G. Tipton on Van Til&#8217;s trinitarian theology Reformed Forum [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Audio: Interview with Westminster Seminary&#8217;s Lane G. Tipton on Van Til&#8217;s trinitarian theology Reformed Forum [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HikoBills</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-5289</link>
		<dc:creator>HikoBills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got directed here from aomin.org.  I am really going to have to listen to this again.  Honestly though, thank you much for putting this out there.  It has given me a lot to think about.

Go with God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got directed here from aomin.org.  I am really going to have to listen to this again.  Honestly though, thank you much for putting this out there.  It has given me a lot to think about.</p>
<p>Go with God.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick R</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-5272</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to R.C. Sproul, Lane Tipton should write the 2nd edition of &quot;Now, That&#039;s a Good Question!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to R.C. Sproul, Lane Tipton should write the 2nd edition of &#8220;Now, That&#8217;s a Good Question!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Van Til&#8217;s Trinitarian Theology &#171; Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-5268</link>
		<dc:creator>Van Til&#8217;s Trinitarian Theology &#171; Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] good enough to send me a link to a recent interview that Lane G. Tipton did at Christ the Center on Van Til&#8217;s Trinitarian Theology.Â  I then checked my RSS feeds and saw that Jeff announced the interview on the Pros Apologian blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] good enough to send me a link to a recent interview that Lane G. Tipton did at Christ the Center on Van Til&#8217;s Trinitarian Theology.Â  I then checked my RSS feeds and saw that Jeff announced the interview on the Pros Apologian blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Downs</title>
		<link>http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc49/#comment-5265</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yahoo!!!! I just started listening.  Thanks brothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahoo!!!! I just started listening.  Thanks brothers.</p>
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