Comments on: N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 1 http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/ Reformed Theology Podcasts, Videos, Blogs and More Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:47:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Randy http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-53309 Randy Sun, 18 Sep 2011 06:31:27 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-53309 I think you guys missed the point a bit toward the end of that first half (Part 1). Yes, Jesus did say "Therefore go and make disciples in all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..." (from Matthew 28). The "church," or more accurately the body of messiah and children of Yahwah are called to bring others to salvation. But what are people being saved for? What are we justified for? What are we sanctified and eventually glorified for? Who are we disciples of? For Yahwah's glory right? For our Father's purposes right? We are disciples of Jesus, right? Jesus' central topic of teaching and discussion (obviously) was "The Kingdom of God." Or "The Kingdom of Heaven" as Matthew wrote (partially simply by reverence for the Jews who didn't write God's name). These two are the same though. In Matthew 4:17 Jesus states "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." The kingdom of God. Jesus is God. Repent for "I" (Jesus) am here/near and "I" have come to battle and conquer the enemy death; and have permanent victory over the kingdom of darkness. We are disciplines of Jesus having been justified, and being progressively sanctified to live the rest of our present time on earth as His tools of redemption to the cosmos. Yes it is God's "job" to redeem all things. But it starts now done by His spirit working through us because the kingdom of God has been inaugurated by Jesus' death and corporeal resurrection in a glorified body (as the first fruit). We live in the 'now and not yet.' The kingdom has started and will be completed when Jesus returns in his re-appearing as the reigning king. From Genesis to Revelation Yahwah is after partners, workers, stewards, children to "do and ask for his will on earth as it is in heaven." Disciples of Messiah have that hope and that mission. I think you guys missed the point a bit toward the end of that first half (Part 1). Yes, Jesus did say “Therefore go and make disciples in all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…” (from Matthew 28). The “church,” or more accurately the body of messiah and children of Yahwah are called to bring others to salvation. But what are people being saved for? What are we justified for? What are we sanctified and eventually glorified for? Who are we disciples of? For Yahwah’s glory right? For our Father’s purposes right? We are disciples of Jesus, right? Jesus’ central topic of teaching and discussion (obviously) was “The Kingdom of God.” Or “The Kingdom of Heaven” as Matthew wrote (partially simply by reverence for the Jews who didn’t write God’s name). These two are the same though. In Matthew 4:17 Jesus states “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.” The kingdom of God. Jesus is God. Repent for “I” (Jesus) am here/near and “I” have come to battle and conquer the enemy death; and have permanent victory over the kingdom of darkness. We are disciplines of Jesus having been justified, and being progressively sanctified to live the rest of our present time on earth as His tools of redemption to the cosmos. Yes it is God’s “job” to redeem all things. But it starts now done by His spirit working through us because the kingdom of God has been inaugurated by Jesus’ death and corporeal resurrection in a glorified body (as the first fruit). We live in the ‘now and not yet.’ The kingdom has started and will be completed when Jesus returns in his re-appearing as the reigning king. From Genesis to Revelation Yahwah is after partners, workers, stewards, children to “do and ask for his will on earth as it is in heaven.” Disciples of Messiah have that hope and that mission.

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]]> By: Reformed Forum - Reformed Theology Podcasts, Videos, Blogs and More - » Blog Archive » N.T. Wright’s Epistemology http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-16129 Reformed Forum - Reformed Theology Podcasts, Videos, Blogs and More - » Blog Archive » N.T. Wright’s Epistemology Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:01:32 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-16129 [...]  Christ the Center has spoken about Wright’s doctrine of justification with Guy Waters.  Part 1 and Part 2 are [...] [...]  Christ the Center has spoken about Wright’s doctrine of justification with Guy Waters.  Part 1 and Part 2 are [...]

]]> By: Reformed Forum - Reformed Theology Podcasts, Videos, Blogs and More - » Blog Archive » Christ the Center 2010 March Madness http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-15964 Reformed Forum - Reformed Theology Podcasts, Videos, Blogs and More - » Blog Archive » Christ the Center 2010 March Madness Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:16:27 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-15964 [...] Horton #ctc65 (57) William Perkins and the Development of Puritan Pre… with Joey Pipa #ctc91 (5) N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 1 with Guy Waters #ctc58 (60) A God-Centered Approach to Language with Vern Poythress #ctc98 (28) [...] [...] Horton #ctc65 (57) William Perkins and the Development of Puritan Pre… with Joey Pipa #ctc91 (5) N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 1 with Guy Waters #ctc58 (60) A God-Centered Approach to Language with Vern Poythress #ctc98 (28) [...]

]]> By: Reformed Forum » Church Membership http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-10642 Reformed Forum » Church Membership Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:03:09 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-10642 [...] Waters on N. T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 1 and Part [...] [...] Waters on N. T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 1 and Part [...]

]]> By: amyfieldadams http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-9825 amyfieldadams Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:26:05 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-9825 The new season is going to be great. The new season is going to be great.

]]> By: Justification: God’s Plan & Paul’s Vision « ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-9117 Justification: God’s Plan & Paul’s Vision « ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ Mon, 25 May 2009 01:51:10 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-9117 [...] Bird Interview Trevin Wax N.T. Wright Interview Scott McNight on N.T. Wright’s Justification Reformed Forum on N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 1 Reformed Forum on N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 2 Nijay K Gupta (doctoral [...] [...] Bird Interview Trevin Wax N.T. Wright Interview Scott McNight on N.T. Wright’s Justification Reformed Forum on N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 1 Reformed Forum on N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 2 Nijay K Gupta (doctoral [...]

]]> By: Justification: God’s Plan and Paul’s Vision in the Blogosphere « Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-9078 Justification: God’s Plan and Paul’s Vision in the Blogosphere « Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth Sat, 16 May 2009 00:38:34 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-9078 [...] N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 1 (audio) [...] [...] N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 1 (audio) [...]

]]> By: N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification « Faith by Hearing http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-8161 N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification « Faith by Hearing Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:09:29 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-8161 [...] Part 1 >> [...] [...] Part 1 >> [...]

]]> By: N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification… « Water Is Thicker Than Blood http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-8084 N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification… « Water Is Thicker Than Blood Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:52:15 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-8084 [...] Uncategorized wateristhickerthanblood 9:46 pm At the Reformed Forum: Part 1 and Part 2 [...] [...] Uncategorized wateristhickerthanblood 9:46 pm At the Reformed Forum: Part 1 and Part 2 [...]

]]> By: CTC Interviews Guy Waters on Wright’s New Book (Part 2) http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-8037 CTC Interviews Guy Waters on Wright’s New Book (Part 2) Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:32:11 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-8037 [...] the UK, scheduled for a June 2009 release in the States). You can listen to part 1 of the interview here. [...] [...] the UK, scheduled for a June 2009 release in the States). You can listen to part 1 of the interview here. [...]

]]> By: Die Rechtfertigungslehre von N.T. Wright | TheoBlog http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-8032 Die Rechtfertigungslehre von N.T. Wright | TheoBlog Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:19:48 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-8032 [...] N.T. Wright's Doctrine of Justification, Teil 1 [...] [...] N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Teil 1 [...]

]]> By: Reformed Forum » N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 2 http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-8009 Reformed Forum » N.T. Wright’s Doctrine of Justification, Part 2 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:03:40 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-8009 [...] Popup | Download This is part 2 of a 2 part discussion with Guy Prentiss Waters.  Part 1 is also available for [...] [...] Popup | Download This is part 2 of a 2 part discussion with Guy Prentiss Waters.  Part 1 is also available for [...]

]]> By: Raffi Shahinian http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-7973 Raffi Shahinian Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:13:00 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-7973 For anyone who may be interested, I have the audio of <a href="http://www.parablesofaprodigalworld.com/2009/03/audio-nt-wright-on-christian-virtue.html" rel="nofollow">Wright's most recent lecture</a> from Lake Avenue Church in Pasadena. The topic was Christian virtue. Good stuff. Grace and Peace, Raffi For anyone who may be interested, I have the audio of Wright’s most recent lecture from Lake Avenue Church in Pasadena. The topic was Christian virtue. Good stuff.

Grace and Peace,
Raffi

]]> By: Jon Swales http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-7960 Jon Swales Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:06:18 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-7960 Thanks for putting this discussion in the public domain. I do think that you mis-represented Wright in the discussion of 'exile'. Wright stresses that the 'exile' is not geographic. The discussion seems to suggets he that it is. Wright may be unwise to use the word 'exile' as it does sound gepgraphic,. However he does explain otherwise. Thanks for putting this discussion in the public domain.
I do think that you mis-represented Wright in the discussion of ‘exile’. Wright stresses that the ‘exile’ is not geographic. The discussion seems to suggets he that it is. Wright may be unwise to use the word ‘exile’ as it does sound gepgraphic,. However he does explain otherwise.

]]> By: In Light of the Gospel » Blog Archive » Wright, Justification, and the Adam/Christ Structure http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-7956 In Light of the Gospel » Blog Archive » Wright, Justification, and the Adam/Christ Structure Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:59:55 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-7956 [...] Bird provides a summary and some of his thoughts on the interview at Reformed Forum with Guy Waters on N. T. Wright’s new book. It’s worth [...] [...] Bird provides a summary and some of his thoughts on the interview at Reformed Forum with Guy Waters on N. T. Wright’s new book. It’s worth [...]

]]> By: Michael Bird http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-7952 Michael Bird Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:12:22 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-7952 Fellas, A very enjoyable discussion. Fellas,
A very enjoyable discussion.

]]> By: In Light of the Gospel » Blog Archive » Guy Waters Interview on N. T. Wright’s Justification http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-7947 In Light of the Gospel » Blog Archive » Guy Waters Interview on N. T. Wright’s Justification Sat, 28 Feb 2009 06:42:52 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-7947 [...] N. T. Wright’s new book, Justification: God's Plan and Paul's Vision, is a response to some of John Piper’s arguments in The Future of Justification. The guys from Christ the Center have interviewed Guy P. Waters, associate professor of New Testament at Reformed Theological Seminary in Jackson, MS, on Wright’s book and views concerning justification. Waters did his doctoral work under the supervision of E. P. Sanders at Duke University, and is the author of Justification and the New Perspectives on Paul, The Federal Vision and Covenant Theology, and co-editor of By Faith Alone. You can listen to the interview here. [...] [...] N. T. Wright’s new book, Justification: God’s Plan and Paul’s Vision, is a response to some of John Piper’s arguments in The Future of Justification. The guys from Christ the Center have interviewed Guy P. Waters, associate professor of New Testament at Reformed Theological Seminary in Jackson, MS, on Wright’s book and views concerning justification. Waters did his doctoral work under the supervision of E. P. Sanders at Duke University, and is the author of Justification and the New Perspectives on Paul, The Federal Vision and Covenant Theology, and co-editor of By Faith Alone. You can listen to the interview here. [...]

]]> By: Christ the Center Interview with Guy Prentiss Waters http://reformedforum.org/ctc58/#comment-7943 Christ the Center Interview with Guy Prentiss Waters Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:08:49 +0000 http://reformedforum.org/?p=595#comment-7943 [...] it we spent two hours to discuss and critique. You can listen to the first part of this interview here . [...] [...] it we spent two hours to discuss and critique. You can listen to the first part of this interview here . [...]

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