Comments on: The Essential Van Til — Common Grace and Common Wrath https://reformedforum.org/essential-van-til-common-grace-common-wrath/ Reformed Theological Resources Sun, 12 Aug 2018 06:09:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: David Midkiff https://reformedforum.org/essential-van-til-common-grace-common-wrath/#comment-3546150 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 06:09:28 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=5757#comment-3546150 In reply to David Midkiff.

err grace for the reprobate

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By: David Midkiff https://reformedforum.org/essential-van-til-common-grace-common-wrath/#comment-3546148 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 06:04:56 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=5757#comment-3546148 Whereas Eph 2:3 says we were once children of wrath, 1 Thess 5:9 says we were not appointed to wrath but to obtain salvation. The purported tension is that the love God had for His elect from all eternity precludes wrath and thus the elect were never properly children of wrath at any point. Yet I disagree, simply because the Bible here indicates otherwise. The love of God for His elect does NOT preclude God’s volitional wrath for our sin original and actual, but it does preclude His eschatological wrath (which truly is the predominant view of wrath in Scripture [viz. the day of wrath, storing up wrath, wrath to come, etc.]). So, we truly can be, in the temporal, pre-regenerate history of our lives, children of wrath and yet not be appointed to wrath (but rather to adoption as children of God). Thus, God always loved us, His elect, from all eternity, never conceiving of us as vessels of wrath. And yet we certainly were decreed to be children of wrath for a time in our unregenerate state. That we were to sin originally and actually and be under wrath for a time, in desperate need of atonement, was His good purpose for our lives, but we were never appointed to wrath as the reprobate are. The Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world ensured.

There is always a shifting of the “mystery” and the tossing around of the hot-potato of rationalism in Reformed thought. You assert mystery upon the relation of transitional (temporal) history to God’s sovereignty and yet you nonetheless engage in rationalism with an order of “decrees” within the one “eternal decree” in order to uphold a “real history”. But I would argue that there is mystery in the singular “decree” (Eph 1:11, etc.), in which linear, propositional orders cannot possibly be ascertained, and yet this one eternal decree does not at all preclude definite, historical means. And yet your axiomatic assertion of “the truth of real transitions in history”, though you want it to be mysterious in relation to sovereignty, is more or less a subtle (perhaps subconscious) attempt, in the context of this article, to make the eternal decree a temporal part of history (functionally reactionary to events rather than the sole cause of all events… especially reprobation). Thus, you can open this post with a baffling and very Arminian-sounding statement that there is a problem of history triumphing over the eternal decree. Common grace, no matter how you swing it, is much more a form of rationalism in attempting to mitigate perceived negative aspects of God’s sovereignty (in order to sit on the fence with Arminians) than Hoeksema’s consistent (though certainly unpopular) view that there is no such thing as grace for the elect. The “limiting concept”, of course, has to be presupposed to avoid certain undesirable conclusions.

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