Comments on: John Flavel on Union with Christ: A Response to John Fesko https://reformedforum.org/john-flavel-on-union-with-christ-a-response-to-john-fesko/ Reformed Theological Resources Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:52:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Russ https://reformedforum.org/john-flavel-on-union-with-christ-a-response-to-john-fesko/#comment-1402219 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:52:32 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=2326#comment-1402219 Hello, Brother.
Thanks for the clarification. You are precise & kind in your comments about Dr. Fesko’s criticisms on your understanding of Flavel. So much so, in fact, that I will pursue reading the Flavel sources you mention. As you may know, Union with Christ has become more prominent lately in the Ordo discussions in Reformed circles. You may also recall, that long ago, when Dr.Gaffin promoted the “Centrality of the Resurrection,” Robert Morey presented & defended the priority of Union with Christ, in his book, “The Saving Work of Christ,” 1980.
Blessings.

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By: mark mcculley https://reformedforum.org/john-flavel-on-union-with-christ-a-response-to-john-fesko/#comment-491586 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:36:03 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=2326#comment-491586 I don’t write in defense of Flavel. But I do want to point out that Edwards is continuing to beg the question about what counts as ‘application” of the accomplished redemption. Edwards accuses Fesko of confusing application with the redemption, but this is only because Edwards continues to assume that application has to be by the agency of the Holy Spirit and NOT by legal imputation.

Edwards writes about a confusion of “the eternal decree, which indeed includes imputation with its actual application in time.” But we need to make a distinction between God’s decree and both the accomplishment of redemption and the imputation of that redemption. God decrees that the elect will be effectually called, but that calling is in time. God decrees to impute what Christ will accomplish, but that IMPUTATION IS ALSO DONE IN TIME. But Edwards seems to assume that imputation is not “actual imputation” because he continues to assume that “union caused by the mutual indwelling” is the “actual” application. But this is the very issue in question!

Edwards knows good and well that neither John Fesko nor John Owen is advocating eternal justification or eternal imputation. But his allegiance to the Gaffin/Evans/ Garcia/ Letham consensus will not allow him to think of the possibility that God’s legal imputation is that which unites the elect to Christ so that Christ’s Spirit will be given to these then justified sinners.

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By: Mark G https://reformedforum.org/john-flavel-on-union-with-christ-a-response-to-john-fesko/#comment-158715 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:33:21 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=2326#comment-158715 In reply to Ross.

I don’t disagree. However, I greatly appreciated Rev. Edwards’ article on Flavel and criticisms of his work required a response. Perhaps the appropriate place for the criticisms would have been along the lines of a letter to the editor in the journal where those criticisms should get an appropriate review & if valid a response. Since the criticisms were made online they needed to be addressed online. Maybe the criticisms couldn’t withstand professional scrutiny.

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By: ryan https://reformedforum.org/john-flavel-on-union-with-christ-a-response-to-john-fesko/#comment-158321 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:54:34 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=2326#comment-158321 In reply to Ross.

Agreed

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By: Ross https://reformedforum.org/john-flavel-on-union-with-christ-a-response-to-john-fesko/#comment-158213 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:29:11 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=2326#comment-158213 These intra-seminary battles between the “Westminsters” are getting tiresome.

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