Comments on: The Justification Landscape

By: Baus

Baus — Sat, 11 May 2013 02:53:06 +0000

In reply to Nicholas T. Batzig. When asked if he thought there was a place for FV advocates in Reformed Confessional churches, Garcia splits the question and says it's important to distinguish between the 'personal' issue of interaction between scholars and the 'corporate' issue of ecclesiastical decisions. Fine. But he failed to answer the question. It would be nice to hear Garcia say that in light of, for example, OPC decisions that FV advocates in fact do not belong in the OPC.

By: Benjamin P. Glaser

Benjamin P. Glaser — Mon, 06 Aug 2012 02:14:21 +0000

This was an excellent episode. I loved the “Barracuda” and “Shark” analogy. It perfectly encapsulates what I have seen going on, especially of late.

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reading Scripture » The Justification Landscape — Sat, 05 Mar 2011 12:02:16 +0000

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By: Nicholas T. Batzig

Nicholas T. Batzig — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:59:33 +0000

While I believe that Mark’s point about doing careful scholarship was is of the utmost importance, I would like to go on the record (as a panelist of this show) to express my concern with his tepid comments about the Federal Vision. On the one hand, Mark begins the interview by essentially denying a monolithic system to the FV, and on the other hand, he gives credence to it as a monolithic movement. Unless we are willing to acknowledge the theological nuances and revisions of the FV men with regard to soteriological blessings, we ought not make affirming statements about the movement on the whole.

Furthermore, in my experience, I have found the Federal Visionists to be less than irenic. Many of the major proponents have had a reactionary spirit. Their revision of historic covenant theology threatens to compromise the Gospel.

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:28:58 +0000

In reply to MikeD. I agree his was an awesome episode. I believe he was trying to get the listener into the mindset of a Federal Vision thinker, and not necessarily giving warrant to their exegesis. In putting the inflection on "become" I think Mark was pointing out how that word can be taken as an ongoing progressive event. That's at least how I took it.

By: MikeD

MikeD — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 04:08:22 +0000

I enjoyed it thoroughly and appreciate all of the work that you guys do. I must say though, I was bummed to hear 2 Cor 5:21 cited while expressing sympathy with some of the concerns of the Federal Vision in regards to personal holiness and the further purpose of sanctification beyond justification. In mentioning the verse there was even added inflection on the “become” so as to imply an infused personal righteousness, or perhaps non-alien would be more generous. Clearly the verse is speaking of the righteousness of God that comes by way of imputation, even as the Lord of glory did not change in his character at all, but was rather numbered among the transgressors (i.e. the Great Exchange). I realize it’s only one verse, but this verse of so many clearly means one thing and not another. This seems to be one of those verses that we mustn’t budge on. Am I off here? Thanks very much.

By: Camden Bucey

Camden Bucey — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:54:56 +0000

In reply to robert. Robert, the full episode should be close to an hour. Try downloading it again and please let me know if you don't get the whole thing.

By: robert

robert — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:30:13 +0000

is this mp3 abbreviated? there was only 20 minutes.

By: Stephen

Stephen — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:01:33 +0000

I echo everything Steve, Troy & Ian said. When I saw the title I almost didn’t listen, but I’m very glad I did! Pastor Garcia was a terrific guest. Grace and peace.

By: The Justification Landscape « Life in Christ

The Justification Landscape « Life in Christ — Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:27:51 +0000

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By: Ian Clary

Ian Clary — Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:56:34 +0000

Over the years I’ve become somewhat bored of discussions of the NP and FV–mostly because I over-studied it. So when I first saw this, I contemplated not listening. But as a faithful follower of RF I tuned in, and I’m really thankful that I did. This is one of the most balanced treatments of the issues that I’ve ever come across. Learned, irenic, constructively critical, godly…thank-you for doing this interview. And thank-you to Dr. Garcia for your gracious spirit and candour.

By: Camden Bucey

Camden Bucey — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:05:16 +0000

I agree. I thought this discussion turned out well. It was amiable without compromising.

By: Troy Lizenby

Troy Lizenby — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:54:22 +0000

Very illuminating discussion, contributing much to promote better understanding of the issues involved without resorting to hysterical broad-brush “drive-by theological bombs”.

By: Steve in Toronto

Steve in Toronto — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:24:55 +0000

What a great program. It’s nice to hear such sane, sober (and dare I say it even generous) analysis. Many thanks