Comments on: By Good and Necessary Consequence https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/ Reformed Theological Resources Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:36:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: Gordon Walker https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/#comment-85890 Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:36:57 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=2145#comment-85890 In reply to Camden Bucey.

Thanks for that Camden. I understand the constraints, just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something

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By: Camden Bucey https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/#comment-85854 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:54:02 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=2145#comment-85854 In reply to Gordon Walker.

Gordon, you are correct. The show notes are the text and links on each episode’s webpage. Some are more detailed than others, but I strive to include the pertinent items.

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By: Gordon Walker https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/#comment-85841 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:41:12 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=2145#comment-85841 Can I ask about the “show notes” that are often mentioned in the programmes? I listen to the recordings as I drive and am often interested by references to this paper or that book which it is said will be referenced in the show notes. However, I have never really been able to find any of the links. My question is, does this page represent the show notes or is there somewhere else on the site where I can find these links?

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By: Brandon Adams https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/#comment-85566 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:48:20 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=2145#comment-85566 In reply to Don L..

Hi Don,

Thanks for the link. I found Malone’s piece to be a little unclear, but if he is arguing that good and necessary consequence denies the regulative principle, then I don’t think he has confessional support for that position (see above).

*For another argument that paedobaptism denies the regulative principle see Gary Crampton’s “From Paedobaptism to Credobaptism”. Crampton is an outspoken champion of “good and necessary consequence”.

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By: Brandon Adams https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/#comment-85565 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:35:27 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=2145#comment-85565 In reply to Rich Barcellos.

Hi Rich,

Just to second what you said, in my notes I have Dr. Renihan quoting Coxe as saying “just & necessary consequence is truth itself” when writing against Thomas Collier.

There is also this earlier quote coming from a publisher of the 1st LBC, that, if I understand it correctly, says the same thing:

Secondly, the writings of the men who published the First London Confession demonstrate that they were committed to the same kind of Covenant Theology that is more explicitly articulated in the Second London Confession. John Spilsbury, sometimes suggested as the author of the First Confession, writing in his 1643 book A Treatise Concerning the Lawful Subject of Baptisme, said on the very first page of the text, “As the Scriptures being a perfect rule of all things, both for faith and order; this I confesse is a truth. And for the just and true consequence of Scripture, I doe not deny; and the covenant of life lying between God and Christ for all his elect, I doe not oppose: and that the outward profession of the said Covenant, hath differed under severall Periods, I shall not deny.”
Confessing the Faith in 1644 and 1689

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By: Don L. https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/#comment-85315 Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:15:41 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=2145#comment-85315 According to Fred Malone, “Good and Necessary Consequence” denies the Regulative Principle of Worship.
http://www.founders.org/journal/fj35/article1.html

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By: Rich Barcellos https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/#comment-85085 Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:23:35 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=2145#comment-85085 I have a Reformed Baptist buddy working on a Ph.D. at Calvin who thinks the change in the 1689 may reflect nomenclature of the latter 17th century and was not a denial of the principle, just a different way of saying it. I think Dr. Jim Renihan would say something similar to this (a different way of saying the same thing), though don’t quote me. I have heard some Baptists (can’t remember who) claim the change in wording reflects a denial of the principle and was an attempt to distance themselves from the covenant theology of the WCF. I do not think that is the case at all. The co-editor of the 1677/89 was Nehemiah Coxe who wrote A Discourse of the Covenants that God made with men before the Law (1681). This work is structured after the federal model, utilizes Reformed orthodox theological nomenclature, concepts, and sources, and is semantically Reformed orthodox, except portions of his exposition of the Abrahamic covenant(s). Coxe’s piece utilizes the prinicple of good and necessary consequence on every page 🙂 and was published after his editorial work on the Baptist Confession was completed in 1677.

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By: Camden Bucey https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/#comment-85084 Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:37:19 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=2145#comment-85084 In reply to Rich Barcellos.

Thanks Rich. I believe this is an important topic, and I’m glad we were able to record it.

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By: Rich Barcellos https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/#comment-85080 Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:07:20 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=2145#comment-85080 Listened. Good program.

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By: Rich Barcellos https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc234/#comment-85078 Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:15:57 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=2145#comment-85078 really helpful book. Not sure about the program, yet. Listening.

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