Comments on: Redemptive-Historical Hermeneutics, Divine Authorship, and the Christotelism Debate https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc355/ Reformed Theological Resources Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:03:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Jeff Lembke https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc355/#comment-2314458 Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:33:22 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=3851#comment-2314458 Whatever analogy is used has to communicate the culpability of OT hearers in not recognizing Christ. The Mystery story analogy doesn’t do that. I don’t think I’ve ever read a mystery and looked back and said “I should have figured that out!”

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By: Mark G https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc355/#comment-2309674 Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:26:53 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=3851#comment-2309674 In reply to Philip Walker.

That’s a valid concern. Since scripture is divine revelation of God’s unfolding plan of redemption any comparison with stories in general is going to have limits which require qualification.

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By: Philip Walker https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc355/#comment-2308659 Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:53:09 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=3851#comment-2308659 In reply to Mark G.

For sure. But my point is that it seems it is not even getting off the starting blocks, since people understand it so differently: so much so, in fact, that anyone wanting to use it has essentially to handle the doctrine explicitly in order to explain the analogy!

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By: Mark G https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc355/#comment-2303427 Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:31:03 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=3851#comment-2303427 Any analogy is going to fall short at some point and is going to be problematic if overextended since there is no book other than the Bible that reveals (divinely through human authors) the one plan of God’s redemptive word and work.

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By: Steve in Toronto https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc355/#comment-2287537 Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:50:53 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=3851#comment-2287537 In reply to Philip Walker.

I always understood the analogy to be that the conclusion is present in the story from the beginning but only visible in retrospect.

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By: Philip Walker https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc355/#comment-2286530 Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:50:35 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?post_type=podcast&p=3851#comment-2286530 Very helpful episode, as always.

I think it’s clear that the “mystery novel” analogy is not helping to advance the discussion because different people hear it wildly differently. It seems to be heard by some as the idea of a book where the resolution does obviously flow out of the main story (the “surprise! bet you never saw that coming” school); but others hear the idea of a story where the resolution is foreshadowed, hinted at, and pointed towards in more and less subtle ways (the “author is dropping hints and clues; listen carefully and you too may be able to work it out” school).

If one reads detective novels the second way and adopts the analogy between them and Scripture, then surely one ends up with roughly the understanding of Scripture that Dr Tipton describes with approval.

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