Into lunch he put the question to me as to why “bad things happen”, and how God could foreordain such things. What a great occasion it was to talk about the infinite mercy of our infinite God in the face of the most tragic, infinitely awful occurance in the course of human history – the fall of Adam. I am grateful the Lord gave me immediate occasion to share the knowledge I gained from this episode in the evangelizing of my friend.

Hi Bob,

The short answer to your good question is no, not necessarily (and for the record, I regard myself as infra).

Strictly speaking, the supra position regards the order of the decree of God. Does God consider man as fallen in predestination (infra), or is there a bare decree in which God predestinates first, and then orders the fall (the supra position, as I understand it). One may most certainly see eschatology as the goal of God’s plan without saying that he has a bare decree of predestination. In fact, the way I see it, the fall is absolutely in view already as God considers his greater glory in the salvation of sinners. In fact, it seems that the infra position is necessary for JE and Vos’ position. But, I am no expert no the infra/supra debate. Maybe Jeff can offer other thoughts.