Comments on: Defending Obama https://reformedforum.org/president-obama-theology-crusades/ Reformed Theological Resources Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:59:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Proto https://reformedforum.org/president-obama-theology-crusades/#comment-3168690 Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:59:39 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=4149#comment-3168690 Are you suggesting the prophetic denunciation of those who proclaim ‘peace peace’ was an attack on those who would question the legitimacy of non-Divinely sanctioned war?

And I’ll repeat, does the questioning of the hagiographic and romantic view of Church history mean that I’m a Marxist? Are we allowed to do honest history or not? Does such a read represent some kind of betrayal? It would seem you think so?

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By: Uwe https://reformedforum.org/president-obama-theology-crusades/#comment-3168636 Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:13:36 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=4149#comment-3168636 In reply to Proto.

“…saying peace, peace; when there is no peace.”

Islam’s definition of peace is when everybody on the planet is a muslim.

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By: Hermonta Godwin https://reformedforum.org/president-obama-theology-crusades/#comment-3167409 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:39:50 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=4149#comment-3167409 In reply to James J. Cassidy.

So we rename the Crusades to something else and then all is well? I dont think that I am following your counter.

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By: Proto https://reformedforum.org/president-obama-theology-crusades/#comment-3167393 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:15:35 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=4149#comment-3167393 In reply to Uwe.

The Crusades and the Wars of Religion… all wars for that matter (apart from Herem) are Satanic evil.

Why is it anytime someone suggests something other than the hagiographic or Romantic view of history they get accused of being Marxist?

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By: Uwe https://reformedforum.org/president-obama-theology-crusades/#comment-3166695 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:20:41 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=4149#comment-3166695 What I’m seeing here is a kneejerk criticism of the Christian west (and if you can get a shot in on Protestants better yet), silence on Satanic evil (that default sympathy for the Devil thing), an unspoken pious, moralizing pacifism (the better to enable true evil to have its way on this planet), and a necessary shallow approach to historical events as if things should have and could have gone the way a graduate of a culturally Marxist American institution of higher learning in the 20th-21st century thinks it should have gone. Oh well, carry on…

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By: Proto https://reformedforum.org/president-obama-theology-crusades/#comment-3166324 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:44:40 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=4149#comment-3166324 In reply to Uwe.

There were Protestants aiding the Turks in the Siege of Vienna. To them better a Turk than a Habsburg eh?

And what did we get in Spain? The most anti-Christian regime and culture in all of Europe, one in which Biblical Christianity could not even begin to function in.

It’s more complicated than ‘sympathy with the Devil’ and the assumptions need to be challenged. That’s all Mr. Cassidy was attempting to do.

Christ’s words to the Crusaders, Habsburgs (as well as the Protestant warriors) would be something along the lines of… those who take up the sword will perish by it, a lesson most of ‘the Church’ has largely ignored throughout history.

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By: Uwe https://reformedforum.org/president-obama-theology-crusades/#comment-3166091 Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:29:56 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=4149#comment-3166091 What was the correct arrangement – ecclesial, civil – for the defense of Vienna, or Spain where the line of Islamic invasion was stopped? We’re talking about evil on this planet. Naive (and intentionally naive in the case of the commander-in-chief you’re defending) rules of engagement only play into the hands of the Devil…and those with sympathy for the Devil.

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By: James J. Cassidy https://reformedforum.org/president-obama-theology-crusades/#comment-3166080 Wed, 11 Feb 2015 20:18:12 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=4149#comment-3166080 Of course. But then again, there would not have been a Crusades.

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By: Hermonta Godwin https://reformedforum.org/president-obama-theology-crusades/#comment-3166030 Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:50:22 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=4149#comment-3166030 I’m going to have to think about this a bit more. I think this is more an argument for a better distinction between church and state than an argument against the actions of the crusades, which was President Obama’s ill conceived point.

If one had simply switched from the Pope to the Civil Magistrate calling for the same things in the name of justice and righteousness, then wouldn’t your objections go away?

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