Reformed Forum http://reformedforum.org Reformed Theological Resources Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:55:59 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 http://reformedforum.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2020/04/cropped-reformed-forum-logo-300dpi-side_by_side-1-32x32.png history – Reformed Forum http://reformedforum.org 32 32 The Essential Van Til – The Failure of Classical Apologetics http://reformedforum.org/essential-van-til-failure-classical-apologetics/ http://reformedforum.org/essential-van-til-failure-classical-apologetics/#comments Tue, 08 Aug 2017 00:29:03 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=5779 This post is a kind of follow-on from a previous post about “as-suchness.” In The New Synthesis Van Til writes: Paul does not discuss questions of “fact” and views of […]]]>

This post is a kind of follow-on from a previous post about “as-suchness.” In The New Synthesis Van Til writes:

Paul does not discuss questions of “fact” and views of “logic” as such. For Paul, there are no facts as such and there is no logic as such. Paul does not ask the Greeks to consider whether the facts might not be considered as probably or even possibly pointing toward the teleology of Scripture rather than to a teleology such as Plato and Aristotle offer. In effect, Paul asserts on the authority of Christ that no facts of the space-time world can exist and no logic can function except on the presupposition that whatever things the triune God of Scripture says are true.

Classical modes of defending the faith, in general, seek to prove the faith on the basis of some (as it is supposed) given standard of truth which is agreeable to both believer and unbeliever. Classical Apologists (hereafter, CA) say, “what does the unbeliever demand in order to believe? Whatever it is, I will give it to him.” So, some unbelievers demand “evidence” for the belief in God’s existence. They want “just facts” and no spin.

CA are happy to oblige. Now, before we are critical of the CA, we have to acknowledge the good in their thinking. They believe that Christianity should be able to be defended by logic, facts, evidence, or history because the Christian’s God is the God of logic, history, evidence, and history. Christianity is a historical faith. It is based on facts. So, what is wrong with making a logical, historical, or evidential argument for the faith?

Van Til is not opposed to logic, evidence or history. Nor is he opposed to using such in the service of defending the faith. What he opposes, however, is thinking that facts, logic, etc. are things which exist “out there,” brute facts that both believer and unbeliever can use together to evaluate truth claims about Christianity.

But, for Van Til, to do that is to surrender the debate to the unbeliever at the outset.

This mode of thinking makes facts, logic, etc. into abstractions. And Paul, says Van Til, does not argue from abstractions. The Bible knows nothing of “facts” which are independent of God and the meaning he gives them in his Word.

But for CA abstractions become something akin to Platonic ideals which rule all of reality – from God to rocks. Furthermore, abstractions presuppose that both believer and unbeliever interpret them the same way. But they don’t. The unbeliever presupposes the Lordship of logic, facts, etc. over even God himself. The Christian, however, presupposes that God is the Lord over all things.

And so the failure of the classical mode is at once apparent. CA adopt the presuppositions of the unbeliever – i.e., that logic, facts, etc. are interpreted the same way between believer and unbeliever. CA start with an unbelieving philosophy of fact, which allows the unbeliever to place God in the dock, imposing abstract notions of facts, logic, etc. upon God. But God is not the kind of person that can be placed in the dock. God is judge and jury. He is the arbiter. Therefore, we must begin with the triune God. Without the self-attesting Christ of Scripture there is no logic, fact, etc. The Christian must challenge the unbeliever’s philosophy of fact, not grant it to him. And it is precisely here – at this compromise – that CA find their failure.

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The Theology of Jonathan Edwards http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc12/ http://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc12/#comments Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:00:13 +0000 http://www.castlechurch.org/?p=120 Jeff Waddington and Camden Bucey sit down to discuss aspects of Jonathan Edwards’ thinking including his eschatology, affectional psychology and trinitarian theology.

Bibliography

Edwards, Jonathan. Freedom of the will. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1957.

Edwards, Jonathan. Religious affections. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1959.

Edwards, Jonathan. The works of Jonathan Edwards. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1957.

Edwards, Jonathan. The Works of Jonathan Edwards (two volume set). Banner of Truth, 1976.

Lee, Sang. The Princeton companion to Jonathan Edwards. Princeton N.J.: Princeton University Press, 2005.

Letham, Robert. The Holy Trinity: In Scripture, History, Theology And Worship. P & R Publishing, 2005.

Marsden, George. Jonathan Edwards : a life. New Haven: Yale University Press, 2003.

Murray, Iain. Jonathan Edwards : a new biography. Edinburgh ;;Carlisle Pa. USA: Banner of Truth Trust, 1987.

Nichols, Stephen. Jesus made in America : cultural history from the Puritans to the Passion of the Christ. Downers Grove Ill.: InterVarsity Press, 2008.

Nichols, Stephen. Jonathan Edwards : a guided tour of his life and thought. Phillipsburg N.J.: P & R Pub., 2001.

Nichols, Stephen. The Reformation : how a monk and a mallet changed the world. Wheaton Ill.: Crossway Books, 2007.

Stein, Stephen. The Cambridge companion to Jonathan Edwards. Cambridge; New York: Cambridge University Press, 2007.

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