Comments on: What Our Culture’s Counselors Do Not Say https://reformedforum.org/what-our-cultures-counselors-do-not-say/ Reformed Theological Resources Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:57:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7 By: Glenn Smith https://reformedforum.org/what-our-cultures-counselors-do-not-say/#comment-1705296 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:57:46 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=3533#comment-1705296 I wonder whether Mr. Burks’ point was meant to illuminate [Powlinson’s and Welch’s] integrationist approach, not so much with respect to medicine, but rather in upholding Adlerian and Freudian psychological principles by means of eisegesis.

I don’t find the list given above as illustrative of ‘biblical/Christian’ counseling but rather a simple declaration of what ought to be obvious to a redeemed child of God.

I would contend there is a problem with those who would hold credentials within a secular psychology educational environment (which they have to keep current) and then use it as a [partial] framework in their approach to hamartiology and thus, necessarily, soteriology. Their hermeneutic is flawed from the get go.

The biblical/Christian counseling movement is nothing more than a false belief that we need to have some kind of equal but opposite answer to secular psychology. It creates an unbiblical hierarchy (counselor above counselee), which more often than not, sits outside of an ecclesiastical environment and which is in opposition to Galatians 6:1. Professionalizing such an approach with the final words, “Will that be cash or charge” is, I believe, an abomination before the LORD.

I would not deny the role of biblical counseling. However it is not dependent on the study of general revelation (what other people ‘seem’ to know – Freud, Adler), it does not need credentials from CCEF to uphold its veracity (there is sufficiency in Christ and His Word) and should be carried out more in keeping with Hebrews 3. For a church (pastors and elders) to seek a CCEF approved counselor as a resource (a place to ‘send’ congregants) speaks to the state of evangelicalism today.

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By: Ethan Smith https://reformedforum.org/what-our-cultures-counselors-do-not-say/#comment-1702178 Fri, 18 Apr 2014 01:19:28 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=3533#comment-1702178 This should also help:

Ed Welch, “Can We Be Positive about Psychiatric Medications?”
http://shar.es/T4BWT

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By: Ethan Smith https://reformedforum.org/what-our-cultures-counselors-do-not-say/#comment-1702171 Fri, 18 Apr 2014 01:11:07 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=3533#comment-1702171 Brandon,

There is a wide spectrum of counseling techniques. As I understand it, CCEF, of which David Powlison is a part, is considered biblical counseling but would not shy away from using medication if necessary. Nouthetic biblical counseling (Jay Adams) would not use medicine.

Integration is more than just medicine. It is also integrating practices. There is a “five views” book that should explain it a bit better for you (and includes Powlison).

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0830828486/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_EOhutb0NRT10Q

Personally, I appreciate CCEF and others like The Barnabas Center that believe in biblical counseling but also see that medicine can be helpful as well. I think there has been an over-reaction to drugs due to over-prescribing.

Blessings,

Ethan

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By: Brandon Burks https://reformedforum.org/what-our-cultures-counselors-do-not-say/#comment-1699693 Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:39:52 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=3533#comment-1699693 Isn’t there a difference between Christian counseling and biblical counseling as well? The former being those Counselors who are Christian but, as a practice, merge both biblical and secular physiological principles together (I.e. Integrationists). The latter being those, in ACBC for instance, who see Jesus, the Spirit, and Scripture to be sufficient to heal mental illness. Is that an accurate depiction of the two camps within counseling? Where would Powlson fit in?

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By: alan https://reformedforum.org/what-our-cultures-counselors-do-not-say/#comment-1699692 Mon, 14 Apr 2014 16:31:18 +0000 http://reformedforum.wpengine.com/?p=3533#comment-1699692 Hey Jared!

So glad you took notes at this. What an excellent talk!

alan

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